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PostCamera Noob by AngryCrocodile

Hey peoples,
am looking at doing some actual photography. I am hoping to canvas some recommendations on starter cameras?
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» Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:28 pm «Top

PostRe: Camera Noob by StuntKid

Do you have a budget? And I'm assuming you want to buy a DSLR camera.

I would go for a Nikon or Canon camera. Fairly similar specs for the range of cameras available. Nikon have really upped their game for higher megapixels (MP). Canon have been the choice for the lowbudget filmmaker and in recent years some big screen movies, and TV, too.

Since I use a Canon I would choose one of these. They all come with different versions of the 18-55mm EFS Lens. Though not known to be particularly great (lot of people say they're crappy) it'll be fine for beginners to play with and learn about photography. It will also help you decide in future what type of photography you want to do and the lenses to choose from before you start investing more money. My first camera was the Nikon D40 (Now discontinued) which was 6MP and super cheap. Taught me a lot about photography. Several years later I switched to the Canon 7D for photography and video.

Canon 1100D - £279.95 - *on SALE at the moment*
12MP cam. I think Nickers has one of these. She'll probs recommend it for beginners.

Canon 550D - £449.95
18MP. Couple years old. Similar specs to the camera I have.

Canon 600D - - £419.95 - *on SALE at the moment*
18MP. Slightly newer model from the 550D and cheaper right now. I would go for this if you are serious about photography.

Newer models a bit more expensive. 650D has a touch and flippy out screen which I guess you can frame and take pictures of yourself ;) . 700D is the newest in the triple digit (entry level) range. Seem to be more gimicky than practical and specs are only marginally higher and are still only 18MP.

You should search for some prices for the cameras I mentioned. I'm sure @Runner and @Roosell will have something to add.
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» Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:24 pm «Top

PostRe: Camera Noob by Runner

I don't know about Nikon my dad had a D80 and I hatted it, everything was soft on it. Nikon, as stunt said, since raised their game but I don't agree with their boosting of mega pixels, seems like a gimic, getter of have less resolution that is accurate - bumping the pixel count up decreases the accuracy of said pixels and I bet they struggle at low light in comparison to their canon cousins - as a result I've been looking at buying a canon for the last 3 years and keep drinking the money...

To an extent the best thing you can buy to improve the quality is the lens, as the stock ones are very basic. But lenses cost a fucking fortune and not worth it for a beginner, so just get a kit lens and in a few years if your still using it then go out and spend £1000 on a proper lens. This considered your choice of canon or nikon starts hear and extends, each make of camera has their own type of lens mount and thus whatever camera you buy now your gonna wanna stick with in the future so you can continue to use your lenses on your newer cameras (bit of foresight there).

Basically Canon's DSLR range is split into like 5 tiers and a few random cameras floating in between, overall its rather confusing:

Pro: 1D (uber money)
Semi Pro: 5D (£3000)
<In-between>: 6D
Enthusiast: 7D (£1200)
<In-between> : 60D (£600)
Amateur: 700D, 650D 600D 550D (£400-600)
Beginner: 1100D (£300)

Everything from the 7D down (excluding I think the 1100D) uses the same chip and DIGI 4 processing, each camera basically is priced differently on the construction of the body and the features but from what I understand will produce very simular results because they all share the same chip. Actually the 700D is the first camera in this range to jump to the new DIGI 5 processor, so theoretically its better but ofc being newer you pay for that.

Being this is your first ventue then the 550D is a great shout, but I'd go for the 600D for the fancy articulating screen:
http://www.wexphotographic.com/buy-cano ... s/p1523926

Basically it's features like the auto focus that swell the price of these cameras and the new models get updated screens and tweaked firmware so ofc the new cameras are better to a point but not necessarily worth the major hike in prices. For example the 550D has 9 points of auto focus and the 7D (released at the same time) has 19 cross points of auto focus but they both have the same chip, which lets be honest is the be all end all.

Everything in the XXXD range gets better over time so the screens on the newer releases are better and shit like that. The 700D is most defiantly the better camera over the 600D but the £200 hike is because its just come out and I don't think its worth extra 200 for the new chips when your learning.

As always I am rambling, probably best to get information out of me in conversation on mumble or at the pub/bbq as my written responses are historically mental.

The best piece of advice I can give is go to http://www.dpreview.com its an amazing site with huge detail and weight of comparison into the cameras. They have a test scenario set up that they use for every camera they review and you can directly compare the results and see which performs best in low light and high ISO.

If you want to now more about the fundamentals of photography such as ISO, F-stop and Shutter speed then ask away and I will ramble more.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos600d
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» Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:58 am «Top

PostRe: Camera Noob by StuntKid

Croc you're a noob.
(as advised by Tiri)

We could go on and on. I reckon just buy the 550D/600D with kit lens and learn photography for a couple years. And come to us for tips and advice.

Rough notes:

The XD range (except 7D) are full frame/35mm cameras which have a larger image sensor which produce better images and have better depth-of-field. They are limited to EF lens and also cost more. They also don't come with built in flash as they are designed for professionals who will no doubt use external flashes anyway.

What makes the higher range cameras have a hefty price tag are the expensive compenents, more solid build, weather sealant, better quality LCD screen, glass (rather than plastic), pentaprism in the viewfinder (more crisp and brighter than pentamirror) etc..

The rest of the Canon range use APS-C/cropped sensor. They give a 1.6x magnification (Nikon 1.5x) when using a lens of the same focal length/mm. EF-S lens were made specifically for the cropped sensor because of the way the lens mount is built (or something like that) thus being cheaper and more affordable for the consumer. One pro is you have better zoom, for example for wildlife and sports photography. These cameras can use both EF and EF-S lenses. This can also influence your choice of lens should you want to upgrade to a full-frame in the future. As for me I have gone down the cheaper route which is not necessarily a bad thing.

As for image quality, unless you are literally looking at individual pixels and wanting to print super large images then it shouldn't be something of a concern for the beginner.

Flash photography is on another level and they don't come cheap (for the well known brands, anyway). And it's something I am still learning about.

To much to explain without having to go into a lot of detail. Would be best to talk more when you have a camera and actually learning to use it. Other things of note, aperture/F-stop, filters, colour temperature/white balance, HDR, bracketing, double exposure.
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» Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:09 pm «Top

PostRe: Camera Noob by AngryCrocodile

He's right to be fair.

Maria's dad is lending me his old Canon (not sure what make it is), so I'll do some porno with that and then revisit in a couple of months when I want to buy my own...
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» Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:25 am «Top

PostRe: Camera Noob by Runner

AngryCrocodile wrote:He's right to be fair.

Maria's dad is lending me his old Canon (not sure what make it is), so I'll do some porno with that and then revisit in a couple of months when I want to buy my own...


sounds like a good idea
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» Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:34 pm «Top

PostRe: Camera Noob by StuntKid

Runner wrote:
AngryCrocodile wrote:He's right to be fair.

Maria's dad is lending me his old Canon (not sure what make it is), so I'll do some porno with that and then revisit in a couple of months when I want to buy my own...


sounds like a good idea

Have fun!
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» Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:18 pm «Top

PostRe: Camera Noob by AngryCrocodile

Runner wrote:
AngryCrocodile wrote:... so I'll do some porno with that ...


sounds like a good idea


I like that he agrees. Muahaha
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» Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:29 pm «Top

PostRe: Camera Noob by Crazyk

Can't go wrong with porno, and if you need tips, the internet is full of them.
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» Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:12 pm «Top

PostRe: Camera Noob by AngryCrocodile

Crazyk wrote:Can't go wrong with porno, and if you need tips, the internet is full of them.


Did you mean tips or tits?
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» Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:14 pm «Top